Independent Thinking: Europe scrambles to avoid being sidelined on Ukraine

Grégoire Roos, Natalie Sabanadze and Jaroslava Barbieri join the podcast to discuss Europe’s response to being left out of US–Russia talks on Ukraine.

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Published 5 December 2025

Updated 15 December 2025 — 30 minute listen

Russia and the US sought to strike their own deal, while Putin warned that Moscow, while not planning for war with Europe, is ‘ready right now’. 

To discuss Europe’s options after being marginalized by US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin, podcast host Bronwen Maddox is joined by Grégoire Roos, Director of the Europe and Russia and Eurasia Programmes; Natalie Sabanadze, a Senior Research Fellow and former Georgian Ambassador, and Jaroslava Barbieri, Research Fellow with our Ukraine Forum.

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Independent Thinking is a weekly international affairs podcast hosted by our director Bronwen Maddox, in conversation with leading policymakers, journalists, and Chatham House experts providing insight on the latest international issues.

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